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Just to let people know where I'm going with this page.  The intention is to shift what colors mean on the enhancement list tables.  (Not the bonus tables)  Currently the only things that colors mena on those lists is Proc and Globals.  I've already shifted Proc to text labels, and will do the same with Globals.  The intention is to then start adding the new color templates I recently created, <nowiki>{{Template:IOUncommon}}, {{Template:IOPoolA}}, {{Template:IOPoolB}}, {{Template:IOPoolC}}, and {{Template:IOPoolD}}</nowiki>.  The names should give a hint as to their intent.  But just in case it is not, the intent is to eventually color each IO to show it's origin and pool. - [[User:Sister Leortha|Sister Leortha]] 10:15, 10 April 2007 (PDT)
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* Can I suggest a Green / Blue / Orange / Red color system instead for PoolA/PoolB/PoolC/PoolD to better indicate difficulty of obtaining the enhancement? -- [[User:Resonance|Resonance]] 17:33, 10 April 2007 (PDT)
* [[/Archive 1]]}}


::Orange was selected for Pool A because that will actually eventually be the Pool A Rares, and matches the color of the Rares title.  As contrasted to Yellow for Uncommons, which will evntually get labeled that or another separate color (Splitting Pool A into two colors for Uncommons and Rares).  Then I selected other colors for the B, C, & D pools.  You idea has possibilities, though I would debate that there is much difficulty difference in pools C & D, TFs vs Trials.  That all said, the colors are set up very easily to be updated, since they are defined in templates.  So we can easily enough play around with the selected colors if we want.  We just need to remember to also update the article header where it describes what the colors mean.
== New Issue 11 Sets ==
:: On a different note, I'm still nto happy with how Procs, Globals, and Uniques are being labeled.  I had a thought, but I need some assistance from someone with at least minimal artistic abilities (I have none, basically).  I was wondering if someone could create me a set of three small icons for the three labels.  When I say small, I mean small.  I'm envisioning something that would sit in the current tables, in the places where I currently use "(Proc)", etc, without the icons forcing the field in the table to increase in size.  Something that would be easily distinguishable for which of the three is being labeled.  I'm thinking something like a white or black "P" on a green background, either a small circle or square, for Procs, G for Globals, and U for Unique.  Or something along those lines.  I would set up the icons to link directly to the details just like I currently have the text tags linked.  Anyone want to give a shot at creating something like this?
:: Finally, does anyone have a link to a list of the Uncommons?  The boards talk about assuming all of them are in Pool A, which is fine, but I'm not finding a list of them.  - [[User:Sister Leortha|Sister Leortha]] 08:20, 11 April 2007 (PDT)


::: Ok.  I've marked all the Uncommons, since those can be seen in-game in the CH lists. Just took a bit of back and forth last night between P-Wiki and the Test server.
Now that Issue 11 is in open beta we can begin gathering the data for the new sets, including the Purple/Superior sets.
::: I've also, just now, updated the colors. Whether the different pools truely represent increasing difficulty to accquire, they do represent a progression, and so I have colored them in the familiar order of colors, starting with green for Pool A uncommons, and progressing through purple for Pool D.
The CoH forums has much of the info we need here: [http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=9501306&an=0&page=0&gonew=1].
::: Finally, I've seen no response to my request for icons above.  It has likely been lost in the flood of recent edits.  So I'll repost my request over on the forum where it'll hopefully get more visibility. - [[User:Sister Leortha|Sister Leortha]] 05:52, 12 April 2007 (PDT)
 
Where can we work on this without releasing it until Issue 11 is live?
:No idea, but I just got Energy Manipulator: Chance to disorient as a pool B drop--[[User:Fleeting Whisper|Fleeting Whisper]] 03:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 
== Pool A, B, C, etc. ==
 
Add a description (or link) to what pool A, B, C, etc. mean.  Ideally it would also have estimated drop %.  I presume pool A is just normal monster drops.
 
If these already exist, they should probably be linked by the references in the descriptions for each icon's meaning near the top of the page.  That's where people will most encounter them as a puzzle that needs to be explained.
 
:You are correct.  It would be good to add a link.  At present, the recipe drop pools are defined in the [[Recipes]] article.
 
:In general, there is a ''lot'' of linking that could be done with the IO and recipe articles.  I just don't think we managed to cover all of those links when we first wrote all the IO articles because the system was so huge and there were so many articles to write that we completely lost track just how much stuff content being created at the time.
 
:Edit: Now that I look, the main article for [[Recipe Drop Pools]] is actually already linked in the article. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] 16:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 
== Rectified Reticle: +Perception ==
 
Got it at the end of Flashback story arc, during reporting back to contact.
Flashback had two challenge settings (30 minutes, and 1 defeat), both challenges were successfuly met.
Recipe was given right before the challenge badges were awarded.
[[User:Nord Blast|Nord Blast]] 22:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 
== Flashback's the end of story arc drops... ==
 
Does anyone know from which pools the recipies are awarded?
 
Since I began to keep statistics, i've got the following recipies:
 
* Commanding Presence: Acc/End - Pool B
* Rectified Reticle: +Increased Perception - Unknown Pool
* Impervious Skin: End/Rech - Pool A
* Cacophony: Conf/Range - Unknown Pool
* Energy Manipulator: Chance to Disorient - Pool B
* Unspeakable Terror: Fear/Range - Unknown Pool
 
[[User:Nord Blast|Nord Blast]] 21:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 
You have to be careful to seperate out the end of mission drops from the defeat last guys drops. Story arcs can award a Pool B for completing the final mission. There are still a few arcs that got missed in the I9 beta change and give a 100% chance of Pool B.
[[User:Catwhoorg|Catwhoorg]] 22:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 
It was the end of the story arc, recipe was awarded right before you are unexemplared to your current level, and right before challenge badges were awarded if any, but after statistics window for flashback had been shown.
 
[[User:Nord Blast|Nord Blast]] 00:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 
 
== Regenerative Tissue: +Regen ==
 
Overseen on the forums:
 
<i>> > > > "Pool B includes the regenerative tissue."<br/>
> > > "If you mean the +regen one, isn't that actually a Pool A rare?"<br/>
> > "Not according to the wiki, but it could be wrong of course"<br/>
> "It's wrong. There are three people I know (including me) of who keep correcting that, and someone keeps changing it back. I've gotten it as a drop, so I know it's pool A."</i>
 
Has anyone had it drop as a mission reward for them? [[User:Corebreach|Corebreach]] 02:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 
:Got it as a Pool A drop on my 50 Corr, changed the pool. -- [[User:Aggelakis|Agge]] ([[User_talk:Aggelakis|talk]]) 02:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 
== PvP sets ==
 
I have a suggestion meant to better "at a glance" readability. Can the PvP only bonuses be split off into a second table. I mean something like...  - [[User:Baalus Seth|Baalus Seth]] 14:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 
:Set Bonuses
 
{{IOBonusHeader}}
| [[Bonesnap]]
| {{IOlevel1}} | Immob Res 
| {{IOlevel1}} | +Health  ||  ||  ||     
|-
| [[Pulverizing Fisticuffs]]
| {{IOlevel3}} | Sleep Res 
| {{IOlevel1}} | + Positive/Negative Energy Def  ||  ||  ||
|-
| [[Bruising Blow]]
| {{IOlevel1}} | + Recovery 
| {{IOlevel1}} | +Health  ||  ||  ||     
|-
| [[Pounding Slugfest]]
| {{IOlevel3}} | + Regeneration 
| {{IOlevel1}} | + Positive/Negative Energy Def 
| {{IOlevel3}} | + Damage  ||  ||
|-
| [[Smashing Haymaker]]
| {{IOlevel3}} | Immob Res 
| {{IOlevel2}} | +Health 
| {{IOlevel2}} | + Smashing Def<br>+Lethal Def  ||  ||
|-
| [[Kinetic Combat]]
| {{IOlevel4}} | Immob Res 
| {{IOlevel3}} | +Health 
| {{IOlevel5}} | + Smashing Def<br /> + Lethal Def 
| {{IOlevel4}} | + Movement Speed ||
|-
| [[Focused Smite]]
| {{IOlevel2}} | Immob Res 
| {{IOlevel2}} | Confuse Res 
| {{IOlevel2}} | Debt Prot 
| {{IOlevel2}} | + Movement Speed ||
|-
| [[Touch of Death]]
| {{IOlevel4}} | Immob Res 
| {{IOlevel3}} | +Health 
| {{IOlevel4}} | + Damage 
| {{IOlevel4}} | Hold Res 
| {{IOlevel4}} | + Melee Def
|-
| [[Crushing Impact]]
| {{IOlevel3}} | Immob Res 
| {{IOlevel2}} | +Health 
| {{IOlevel3}} | Accuracy 
| {{IOlevel3}} | - Recharge Time 
| {{IOlevel3}} | + Psionic Res     
|-
| [[Mako's Bite]]
| {{IOlevel5}} | Immob Res 
| {{IOlevel3}} | +Health 
| {{IOlevel5}} | + Damage 
| {{IOlevel5}} | Hold Res 
| {{IOlevel5}} | + Ranged Def
|-
| [[Hecatomb]]
| {{IOlevel7}} | + Recovery 
| {{IOlevel7}} | + Fire/Cold Res 
| {{IOlevel7}} | Accuracy 
| {{IOlevel7}} | - Recharge Time 
| {{IOlevel7}} | + Toxic Res
|-
| [[Gladiator's Strike]]
| {{IOlevel4}} | + Recovery
| {{IOlevel2}} | + Health 
| {{IOlevel4}} | + Damage 
| {{IOlevel5}} | Sm/Lethal Res
| {{IOlevel3}} | Accuracy 
|}
 
: PvP only:
 
{{IOBonusHeader}}
| [[Gladiator's Strike]]
| {{IOlevel4}} | + Endurance
|  | +5% Status Resistance
| {{IOlevel4}} | + Sm/Lethal Def
|  | 10% Chance for Repel Protection
| {{IOlevel5}} | + Recharge
|}
 
 
== Knockback, Slows and Mez ==
I've always considered Knockback to be a form of Mez... It's not a status effect in that it has a duration like the the rest of the mez library, but it's still something that, once it hits you, you are prevented from using your powers the way they normally work. I motion for Knockback to be moved out of the "Other Sets" category and into "Mez Sets."
 
On the other hand, I ''don't'' consider -Speed to be a form of Mez. It's like -Recharge or -ToHit to me: just a debuff by another name. I also motion that this category be moved out of "Mez Sets" and into "Other Sets." {{unsigned|GuyPerfect|19:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)}}
 
:The [[Status Effects]] article and I agree with you.  I also think Taunt sets belong in the same general category as Holds, Stuns, Immobs, etc.  They're all forms of control whether "hard" or "soft".
 
:I generally think of anything that can be protected against as being a "Mez" effect while anything that can ''only'' be resisted would be "Buff/Debuff".  Hold, Immob, Knockback, Stun, Taunt - those effects are all all-or-nothing and vary only in duration or distance.  You are either held or not held, knocked back or not knocked back, stunned or not stunned, etc.  I'm not aware of any cases where speed or recharge debuffs are applied in all-or-nothing form, which would make those effects a debuff, not a mez.
 
:Just my two cents. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 20:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== Reorganize according to Paragon Market categories? ==
 
Damage Sets: Melee, PBAOE, Pets, Ranged, Recharge Intensive Pets, Sniper, Targeted AoE (this one's the same)<br />
Defense Sets: Resist Damage, Defense<br />
Healing Sets: Accurate Healing, Healing<br />
Mez / Status Sets: Confuse, Fear, Hold, Immobilize, Sleep, Slow, Stun<br />
Buff / Debuff Sets: (Accurate Def Debuff), (Accurate ToHit Debuff), Def Debuff, EndMod, Knockback, Taunt, ToHit Buff, ToHit Debuff<br />
Travel Sets: Fly, Leap, Run, Teleport, (Universal Travel) (this one's the same)
 
Currently no Accurate Defense Debuff, Accurate ToHit Debuff, or Universal Travel sets are for sale on the Paragon Market, but their categories are obvious. [[User:Rigel Kent|Rigel Kent]] 14:58, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 
== Updates for Homecoming ==
 
Page was updated to reflect the most accurate data possible currently on Homecoming. Source data was enhancement set data as viewed within the auction house via the 'Attuned Enhancements' category. Screenshots of each set were taken and compared to the data on the page. Specifically, the following values were checked/updated:
 
*Accuracy and ordering for each enhancement set component (i.e. options 1-6)
*Level range for each enhancement
*Values and magnitude (bonus color) for the set bonuses for each enhancement
 
All set bonus names were standardized throughout the entire page.
 
Missing sets (i.e. those added near game shutdown in 2012 and/or during Homecoming) were added, including all Sentinel Archetype Origin enhancements. Missing or erroneous icons were added or updated as necessary.
 
Missing sets of the uncommon and rare varieties were assigned a drop type of Uncommon for uncommon sets, and Pool A Rare for rare sets. At the time of this update it was not readily possible to determine the drop types for the missing sets.
 
Individual enhancement set pages were not updated as a part of this update.
 
Note that some bonus values may not match exactly with the data as seen in-game. The in-game values appear to be inconsistently rounded, and the values that appear on this page are numerically correct and un-rounded.
 
:Coo, that must have been a hell of a job. [[User:Thunderforce|Thunderforce]] ([[User talk:Thunderforce|talk]]) 06:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:Thanks very much [[User:AboveTheChemist|AboveTheChemist]], amazing job! [[User:Aberrant|Aberrant]] ([[User talk:Aberrant|talk]]) 08:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 
== Enhancement set rarity is important, recipe drop pools not so much ==
 
Re:[[User:Billymailman]] On Homecoming, nobody farms recipe drop pools anymore, while uncommon/rare enhancement set conversion is common. As I wrote in the article, sets have rarity for enhancement converter purposes. As an example, Debilitative Action: Accuracy/Recharge being in a rare set and converting to other rare sets is useful information on Homecoming. Which drop pool to farm for the recipe is not useful.
 
The Monobook thing can be fixed easily. [[User:Kai Moon|Kai Moon]] ([[User talk:Kai Moon|talk]]) 14:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

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New Issue 11 Sets

Now that Issue 11 is in open beta we can begin gathering the data for the new sets, including the Purple/Superior sets. The CoH forums has much of the info we need here: [1].

Where can we work on this without releasing it until Issue 11 is live?

No idea, but I just got Energy Manipulator: Chance to disorient as a pool B drop--Fleeting Whisper 03:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Pool A, B, C, etc.

Add a description (or link) to what pool A, B, C, etc. mean. Ideally it would also have estimated drop %. I presume pool A is just normal monster drops.

If these already exist, they should probably be linked by the references in the descriptions for each icon's meaning near the top of the page. That's where people will most encounter them as a puzzle that needs to be explained.

You are correct. It would be good to add a link. At present, the recipe drop pools are defined in the Recipes article.
In general, there is a lot of linking that could be done with the IO and recipe articles. I just don't think we managed to cover all of those links when we first wrote all the IO articles because the system was so huge and there were so many articles to write that we completely lost track just how much stuff content being created at the time.
Edit: Now that I look, the main article for Recipe Drop Pools is actually already linked in the article. --Eabrace 16:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Rectified Reticle: +Perception

Got it at the end of Flashback story arc, during reporting back to contact. Flashback had two challenge settings (30 minutes, and 1 defeat), both challenges were successfuly met. Recipe was given right before the challenge badges were awarded. Nord Blast 22:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Flashback's the end of story arc drops...

Does anyone know from which pools the recipies are awarded?

Since I began to keep statistics, i've got the following recipies:

  • Commanding Presence: Acc/End - Pool B
  • Rectified Reticle: +Increased Perception - Unknown Pool
  • Impervious Skin: End/Rech - Pool A
  • Cacophony: Conf/Range - Unknown Pool
  • Energy Manipulator: Chance to Disorient - Pool B
  • Unspeakable Terror: Fear/Range - Unknown Pool

Nord Blast 21:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

You have to be careful to seperate out the end of mission drops from the defeat last guys drops. Story arcs can award a Pool B for completing the final mission. There are still a few arcs that got missed in the I9 beta change and give a 100% chance of Pool B. Catwhoorg 22:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

It was the end of the story arc, recipe was awarded right before you are unexemplared to your current level, and right before challenge badges were awarded if any, but after statistics window for flashback had been shown.

Nord Blast 00:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


Regenerative Tissue: +Regen

Overseen on the forums:

> > > > "Pool B includes the regenerative tissue."
> > > "If you mean the +regen one, isn't that actually a Pool A rare?"
> > "Not according to the wiki, but it could be wrong of course"
> "It's wrong. There are three people I know (including me) of who keep correcting that, and someone keeps changing it back. I've gotten it as a drop, so I know it's pool A."

Has anyone had it drop as a mission reward for them? Corebreach 02:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Got it as a Pool A drop on my 50 Corr, changed the pool. -- Agge (talk) 02:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

PvP sets

I have a suggestion meant to better "at a glance" readability. Can the PvP only bonuses be split off into a second table. I mean something like... - Baalus Seth 14:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Set Bonuses
Set name With 2 slotted With 3 slotted With 4 slotted With 5 slotted With 6 slotted
Bonesnap Immob Res +Health
Pulverizing Fisticuffs Sleep Res + Positive/Negative Energy Def
Bruising Blow + Recovery +Health
Pounding Slugfest + Regeneration + Positive/Negative Energy Def + Damage
Smashing Haymaker Immob Res +Health + Smashing Def
+Lethal Def
Kinetic Combat Immob Res +Health + Smashing Def
+ Lethal Def 		+ Movement Speed
Focused Smite Immob Res Confuse Res Debt Prot + Movement Speed
Touch of Death Immob Res +Health + Damage Hold Res + Melee Def
Crushing Impact Immob Res +Health Accuracy - Recharge Time + Psionic Res
Mako's Bite Immob Res +Health + Damage Hold Res + Ranged Def
Hecatomb + Recovery + Fire/Cold Res Accuracy - Recharge Time + Toxic Res
Gladiator's Strike + Recovery + Health + Damage Sm/Lethal Res Accuracy
PvP only:
Set name With 2 slotted With 3 slotted With 4 slotted With 5 slotted With 6 slotted
Gladiator's Strike + Endurance +5% Status Resistance + Sm/Lethal Def 10% Chance for Repel Protection + Recharge


Knockback, Slows and Mez

I've always considered Knockback to be a form of Mez... It's not a status effect in that it has a duration like the the rest of the mez library, but it's still something that, once it hits you, you are prevented from using your powers the way they normally work. I motion for Knockback to be moved out of the "Other Sets" category and into "Mez Sets."

On the other hand, I don't consider -Speed to be a form of Mez. It's like -Recharge or -ToHit to me: just a debuff by another name. I also motion that this category be moved out of "Mez Sets" and into "Other Sets." — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuyPerfect (talk • contribs) 19:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The Status Effects article and I agree with you. I also think Taunt sets belong in the same general category as Holds, Stuns, Immobs, etc. They're all forms of control whether "hard" or "soft".
I generally think of anything that can be protected against as being a "Mez" effect while anything that can only be resisted would be "Buff/Debuff". Hold, Immob, Knockback, Stun, Taunt - those effects are all all-or-nothing and vary only in duration or distance. You are either held or not held, knocked back or not knocked back, stunned or not stunned, etc. I'm not aware of any cases where speed or recharge debuffs are applied in all-or-nothing form, which would make those effects a debuff, not a mez.
Just my two cents. --Eabrace Healthbar notify phone.png 20:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Reorganize according to Paragon Market categories?

Damage Sets: Melee, PBAOE, Pets, Ranged, Recharge Intensive Pets, Sniper, Targeted AoE (this one's the same)
Defense Sets: Resist Damage, Defense
Healing Sets: Accurate Healing, Healing
Mez / Status Sets: Confuse, Fear, Hold, Immobilize, Sleep, Slow, Stun
Buff / Debuff Sets: (Accurate Def Debuff), (Accurate ToHit Debuff), Def Debuff, EndMod, Knockback, Taunt, ToHit Buff, ToHit Debuff
Travel Sets: Fly, Leap, Run, Teleport, (Universal Travel) (this one's the same)

Currently no Accurate Defense Debuff, Accurate ToHit Debuff, or Universal Travel sets are for sale on the Paragon Market, but their categories are obvious. Rigel Kent 14:58, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Updates for Homecoming

Page was updated to reflect the most accurate data possible currently on Homecoming. Source data was enhancement set data as viewed within the auction house via the 'Attuned Enhancements' category. Screenshots of each set were taken and compared to the data on the page. Specifically, the following values were checked/updated:

  • Accuracy and ordering for each enhancement set component (i.e. options 1-6)
  • Level range for each enhancement
  • Values and magnitude (bonus color) for the set bonuses for each enhancement

All set bonus names were standardized throughout the entire page.

Missing sets (i.e. those added near game shutdown in 2012 and/or during Homecoming) were added, including all Sentinel Archetype Origin enhancements. Missing or erroneous icons were added or updated as necessary.

Missing sets of the uncommon and rare varieties were assigned a drop type of Uncommon for uncommon sets, and Pool A Rare for rare sets. At the time of this update it was not readily possible to determine the drop types for the missing sets.

Individual enhancement set pages were not updated as a part of this update.

Note that some bonus values may not match exactly with the data as seen in-game. The in-game values appear to be inconsistently rounded, and the values that appear on this page are numerically correct and un-rounded.

Coo, that must have been a hell of a job. Thunderforce (talk) 06:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks very much AboveTheChemist, amazing job! Aberrant (talk) 08:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Enhancement set rarity is important, recipe drop pools not so much

Re:User:Billymailman On Homecoming, nobody farms recipe drop pools anymore, while uncommon/rare enhancement set conversion is common. As I wrote in the article, sets have rarity for enhancement converter purposes. As an example, Debilitative Action: Accuracy/Recharge being in a rare set and converting to other rare sets is useful information on Homecoming. Which drop pool to farm for the recipe is not useful.

The Monobook thing can be fixed easily. Kai Moon (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

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