Talk:Kheldian

Legal Concern

I added an image I cropped from the Blue King comic book. It's available for free on the CoH site so I figured it would be okay. If there's a legal problem with it, please remove.--GreyDog 14:05, 5 November 2007 (EST)

We do direct transcripts of in-game text all the time. If they're not going to come after us for that, they won't come after us for this. --GuyPerfect 14:07, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Cool. Just wanted to make sure it was okay.--GreyDog 14:13, 5 November 2007 (EST)

It's a good picture, but what does it have to do with Kheldians? Please explain either in the body or as a caption under the picture. I have no idea who Horus is, but Requiem is a 5th Column / Council AV. - LordXenophon

How's that?--GreyDog 02:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Spoiler

I would think that a bigger concern is the spoiler-ific-ness of the image toward the comic's main storyline. - Stab594 14:55, 5 November 2007 (EST)

The image is right on the cover of issue 12. I don't feel the picture spoils anything more than the article. If we get a consensus that feels as you do, we can change it to something less spoilery.--GreyDog 15:25, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Wiki Links in image captions

Is there a way to insert links to other wiki pages in image captions? - Stab594 14:58, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Sure can! Done and done.--GreyDog 15:29, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Kheldian Lore?

So, is there a page about Kheldian LORE yet? I've looked on the official site, and I've played some in game, but there's so many questions I have about stuff. Like I had originally thought that Nictus could take a host forcibly, so I made a ex-Nictus that decided to go the Path of the Warshade, and talked it's unwilling host into being a willing host (she was a bad person too, so they both decided to seek redemption together). After a few missions, I realized this wouldn't work quite right, but I still liked it, so for lack of a better alternative, I decided that this Nictus figured out how to take a host against their will, but kept it to itself, and now that it's good, there's no way it's letting Arakhan get that information! BUT, it would have been nice to have been able to find some history and background on the Kheldians beforehand. RagabashMoon 03:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You can pick up most of this info by reading the Kheldian story arc pages... but having it all together is a good idea. I endorse it!--GreyDog 14:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Player Guides cat

I added this to the Player Guides cat. This article is copied from a player guide and reads very much like a player guide, so it seems appropriate given the content. However, this article probably shouldn't be a player guide since it's for such a primary topic in the game. It should probably have its text revised to move from 1st person to 3rd person, and to avoid making suggestions about "your character" and such. The more guide-y parts could be used to create a new "guide" article maybe. I'm bookmarking this to come back to in the future (eventually, hopefully) but wanted to mention it in case anyone else had thoughts on it, or felt like taking a hammer to it. Most of the content is probably pretty appropriate, it's just writing voice that needs the most change I think. -- Sekoia 12:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I think we should split the article. One to give the background on Kheldians, and then make a Kheldian guide for the community for tips. - Snorii 14:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfounded speculation

Just wanted to add a thought about the speculation section of this article... according to relativity, things moving near the speed of light experience time differently. So while we would say a Kheldian coming from Alpha Centauri at the speed of light took over four years to get here, from their perspective it would be a much shorter amount of time. This could help explain how they get from planet to planet... only aging significantly while they are searching a new planet at low speeds.

Just thought it was an interesting idea and that I should share! :) --Patteroast 20:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

This was more or less confirmed by the devs recently. I modified the "how did they get here?" section with the new (cited) info. Felderburg 14:42, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Note to self / anyone: the version of Memphis Bill's post linked in the article is from 2008; there is a more recent archived version from 2012 here: https://web.archive.org/web/20120905121326/http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=114391 It's worth checking to compare the two versions. If anything is changed, update the link in the article. Felderburg 15:18, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Revision - Removal

I hate to say this.

I'm removing much of the guide. I've had it made abundantly clear that lore is unappreciated, and as much as writing the original Kheldian backstory guide was a labor of love and something I've been proud of for nearly 20 years at this point - I'm done. I won't let something I put effort and heart into be used for abuse. (Not by anyone that, as far as I know, is part of the wiki, to be clear.)

Please do not reupload or quote it, or use it as a source.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Greycat (talk • contribs) 1:31, August 15, 2024

I don't know what abuse you're referring to, but I would like to gently point out that, as you said yourself, it likely has nothing to do with this wiki or the general population of people who use it, and the content you're removing is both linked to on this page and available elsewhere on the internet. The only thing this is really accomplishing is to leave a community resource worse than it was. We don't really have a formal Terms of Use policy or anything like that that I'm aware of anymore - this is a volunteer project for a volunteer project that is barely being held afloat by about two dozen people on average - and I doubt that anyone would want to weaponize it over something like this even if we did, but I will say that it's against the spirit of what a wiki fundamentally is to "take back" content in this way.

Just something to think about. -Draeth Darkstar (talk) 14:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Edit: It's been pointed out to me that all text not covered by the NCSoft Ownership Policy on both ParagonWiki and by proxy the Homecoming wiki is released under the GNU license. As I understand it, that means that we, as editors, relinquish any ownership rights to anything we put here - or that you, by proxy, agreed to have put here - in perpetuity. Whether any of the admins chooses to enforce the license to reinstate the content you removed is another matter entirely, but it is worth being aware of. -Draeth Darkstar (talk) 21:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I could enforce it, but I really know very little about Kheldians or their backstory. If some of you who do would let me know if you _want_ me to enforce it, that would be helpful. I shall take it as read that Greycat would like me not to enforce it. Thunderforce (talk) 00:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

In this specific instance, I also defer to people who know the Kheldian lore better than I do. In general, I think it should be made very clear to everyone that wiki contents don't belong to any individual and we don't have a right to decide after the fact that we can "take them back" for any reason. That goes completely against the spirit and purpose (and license) of a communal encyclopedia. This is not a blog, even in the User pages or Player Guides namespaces. Once you post it, it belongs to the community.

I also take some specific offense to Greycat removing direct quotes from the game from this article. Those were never his in the first place, even if some of the article text was taken from his guide on other sites which included those quotes. -Draeth Darkstar (talk) 04:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

It is honestly a shame that you have decided to take it down from here, as it is still available elsewhere on the web so all this has done is harm the Homecoming wiki which like Draeth mention, is a volunteer project. I have taken it upon myself to learn how to properly use this and update the Kheldian section with the relative information, and no matter what people might argue with me about on the forums or Discord I don't intend to take it down and rid the people who do use it of this resource. I do hope you can find your love for Kheldians again in a manner that does not constrict how others might play them but instead help them grow. -Laucianna (talk) 00:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

First time entering

Not sure if I am using this right if I am honest as very new to Wiki things, but with light of Greycat not wanting his work posted (His right in my opinion) I have taken it upon myself to update it myself, I will try to add to it whenever I get free time put please contact me if I am doing anything wrong or if you have any suggestions/commments about how I word things <3 -Laucianna (talk) 01:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

In view of this and Daerth's comments above I won't enforce things, I'll let the removal stand (but in particular I would encourage you to restore any direct quote from the game that was removed); you know what you're doing better than I do. Thunderforce (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)