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If you stop getting xp at the max limit, meaning if you have 5xp left to level, and you kill something worth 6xp, you are awarded only 5xp regardless... then level 40 takes a cumulative xp of 8,401,519. I don't want to put this into the table yet because I wasn't sure if it worked that way. [[User:Martavius|Martavius]] 15:06, 27 May 2006 (PDT)
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== Level 46 ==
== Removed outdated stuff ==


It doesn't fit with the rest of the chart, but I'm looking at what is needed for me to hit level 46. I currently have 22,318,463 and need 63,656 to hit level 46. - [[User:Snorii|Snorii]] 20:13, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
Previous discussions (now archived) mentioned that much of the article was outdated. Those concerns were raised a year ago and nothing was updated. Rather than leaving outdated information in the article, I've removed much of it. If anyone can re-add it with correct data, please do. Also, can anyone verify whether the information that remains is valid? I'm somewhat suspect of the [[Experience#Experience Rewards Table|Experience Rewards Table]], especially with all of the asterisks floating about it. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 21:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


Not sure where those other numbers came from, but yours add up. Found an xp table! -- [[User:Taxibot Yellow|Taxibot Yellow]] 01:46, 23 July 2006 (PDT)
== Re-adding Outdated Tag ==


== Minor discrepancies ==
During a related discussion on Inf gain for low level players, a test was run to see XP gain and Inf gain at level 25 on both minions and lieuts to check for another issue. We instead discovered the XP gain rates are higher on HC (and likely all SCORE based servers unless they've manually edited them back down again). https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/49544-aggressively-reduce-price-of-basic-enhancements/?do=findComment&comment=626482  Thus, the page is outdated. [[User:Lockely|Lockely]] ([[User talk:Lockely|talk]]) 23:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


Interestingly (for some...) at level 11 and 39, the XP rewards for Minions and Lieutenants seem to be swapped. Can we confirm if these points are valid? It may have been a simple data-entry problem?
:I reverted the changes based on some limited testing I performed on Brainstorm (https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/49800-request-for-a-dev/?do=findComment&comment=626672), which shows that XP rates are apparently not higher on HC. If other testing contradicts my findings, or if info provided by a dev in that thread I linked indicates otherwise, then it may be appropriate to modify the XP table. --[[User:AboveTheChemist|AboveTheChemist]] ([[User talk:AboveTheChemist|talk]]) 05:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)


Of course, AVs are by far the best kills/level gained (only ever requiring a maximum of 37.4 even after level 39) whereas the closer to level 50 you are, the less beneficial defeating GMs becomes, closely approaching the same required number of missions after level 39 (plateaus at 167 complete missions for a whole level at level 39) rising fairly smoothly from 65 GMs at level 39 to 150 at level 49.
::I wanted to check in with this, over on the forum thread you mentioned "I also pulled the XP reward data from the leaked i24 data files, and I do see some discrepancies with the experience data that is on the wiki. This is particularly true of the data below level 25. It may mean nothing, but I will do a little more data gathering to find out." Did your data turn up any significant discrepancies, and if so, shouldn't we re-add the WIP template again until we get the proper numbers? --[[User:Lockely|Lockely]] ([[User talk:Lockely|talk]]) 19:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
:Gah! Looked at the wrong trend line on my graph! Missions, not bosses (you need 689 bosses at level 39+ - ouch!) -- [[User:Kalon|Kalon]] 20:49, 12 August 2007 (EDT)


== Old table Archive ==
:::I did some extensive testing last weekend and while there are some discrepancies, they are relatively minor. I haven't had much time this week to devote to it but I'll catch back up with BlackSpectre and update the wiki with my findings, probably this weekend. --[[User:AboveTheChemist|AboveTheChemist]] ([[User talk:AboveTheChemist|talk]]) 21:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


These are the base experience reward values for each rank and level of critter, as well as missions. Some of the more difficult critters have a bonus modifier that increases the amount of XP rewarded.
== Updated 10-11-2024 ==
{| border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 style="border: 1px solid; text-align: right;"
| style="background:#ddd; border-right: 1px solid;" |    '''Level'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Underling'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Minion'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Lieut.'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Boss'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''AV/Hero'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''GM'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Mission'''   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 1   
| 0   
| 10   
| 22   
| 44   
| 1074   
| 5   
| 10   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 2   
| 0   
| 10   
| 22   
| 44   
| 1074   
| 8   
| 25   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 3   
| 0   
| 10   
| 22   
| 44   
| 1074   
| 15   
| 25   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 4   
| 0   
| 10   
| 22   
| 44   
| 1074   
| 21   
| 33   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 5   
| 0   
| 11   
| 24   
| 48   
| 1170   
| 67   
| 50   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 6   
| 0   
| 12   
| 26   
| 52   
| 1292   
| 116   
| 50   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 7   
| 0   
| 13   
| 28   
| 56   
| 1388   
| 160   
| 75   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 8   
| 0   
| 14   
| 30   
| 60   
| 1504   
| 247   
| 81   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 9   
| 1   
| 15   
| 33   
| 66   
| 1600   
| 315   
| 112   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 10   
| 1   
| 16   
| 35   
| 70   
| 1722   
| 390   
| 100   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 11   
| 1   
| 17   
| 37   
| 74   
| 1818   
| 535   
| 130   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 12   
| 1   
| 18   
| 39   
| 78   
| 1936   
| 625   
| 140   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 13   
| 1   
| 20   
| 44   
| 88   
| 2154   
| 720   
| 171   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 14   
| 1   
| 22   
| 48   
| 96   
| 2366   
| 1000   
| 250   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 15   
| 1   
| 24   
| 52   
| 104   
| 2584   
| 1281   
| 375   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 16   
| 2   
| 26   
| 57   
| 114   
| 2798   
| 1480   
| 500   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 17   
| 2   
| 29   
| 63   
| 126   
| 3132   
| 1818   
| 625   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 18   
| 2   
| 32   
| 70   
| 140   
| 3446   
| 2236   
| 750   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 19   
| 2   
| 36   
| 79   
| 158   
| 3878   
| 2600   
| 875   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 20   
| 3   
| 40   
| 88   
| 176   
| 4308   
| 3190   
| 1000   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 21   
| 3   
| 45   
| 99   
| 198   
| 4856   
| 3840   
| 1125   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 22   
| 4   
| 52   
| 114   
| 228   
| 5410   
| 4680   
| 1250   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 23   
| 5   
| 60   
| 132   
| 264   
| 6054   
| 5600   
| 1400   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 24   
| 6   
| 69   
| 151   
| 302   
| 6798   
| 7200   
| 1575   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 25   
| 7   
| 80   
| 176   
| 352   
| 7660   
| 9000   
| 1775   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 26   
| 8   
| 92   
| 202   
| 404   
| 8638   
| 10000   
| 2000   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 27   
| 10   
| 106   
| 233   
| 466   
| 9718   
| 11000   
| 2250   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 28   
| 11   
| 122   
| 268   
| 536   
| 10916   
| 12000   
| 2525   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 29   
| 13   
| 141   
| 310   
| 620   
| 12208   
| 13000   
| 2825   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 30   
| 14   
| 162   
| 356   
| 712   
| 13740   
| 14000   
| 3175   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 31   
| 16   
| 185   
| 407   
| 814   
| 15464   
| 15000   
| 3575   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 32   
| 19   
| 211   
| 464   
| 928   
| 17400   
| 16000   
| 4025   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 33   
| 20   
| 240   
| 528   
| 1056   
| 19582   
| 17000   
| 4525   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 34   
| 23   
| 272   
| 598   
| 1196   
| 22072   
| 18000   
| 5100   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 35   
| 26   
| 307   
| 675   
| 1350   
| 24870   
| 19000   
| 5750   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 36   
| 31   
| 346   
| 761   
| 1522   
| 28008   
| 20000   
| 6475   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 37   
| 34   
| 390   
| 858   
| 1716   
| 31574   
| 21000   
| 7300   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 38   
| 38   
| 439   
| 965   
| 1930   
| 35596   
| 22000   
| 8225   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 39   
| 44   
| 495   
| 1089   
| 2178   
| 40122   
| 23000   
| 9275   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 40   
| 49   
| 558   
| 1227   
| 2454   
| 45220   
| 24000   
| 10450   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 41   
| 52   
| 629   
| 1383   
| 2766   
| 50944   
| 25000   
| 11775   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 42   
| 58   
| 709   
| 1559   
| 3118   
| 57456   
| 26000   
| 13275   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 43   
| 62   
| 799   
| 1757   
| 3514   
| 64684   
| 27000   
| 14950   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 44   
| 65   
| 901   
| 1982   
| 3964   
| 72920   
| 28000   
| 16850   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 45   
| 71   
| 1016   
| 2235   
| 4470   
| 82230   
| 29000   
| 19000   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 46   
| 76   
| 1146   
| 2521   
| 5042   
| 92716   
| 30000   
| 21425   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 47   
| 79   
| 1292   
| 2842   
| 5684   
| 104522   
| 31000   
| 24150   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 48   
| 85   
| 1457   
| 3205   
| 6410   
| 117832   
| 32000   
| 27225   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 49   
| 89   
| 1643   
| 3614   
| 7228   
| 132866   
| 33000   
| 30700   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 50   
| 92   
| 1853   
| 4076   
| 8152   
| 149864   
| 34000   
| 34625   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 51   
| 92   
| 2090   
| 4598   
| 9196   
| 169016   
| 35000   
| 34626   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 52   
| 92   
| 2357   
| 5185   
| 10370   
| 190534   
| 36000   
| 34627   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 53   
| 92   
| 2658   
| 5847   
| 11694   
| 214884   
| 37000   
| 34628   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 54   
| 92   
| 2998   
| 6595   
| 13190   
| 242368   
| 38000   
| 34629   
|-
| style="border-right: 1px solid;" | 55   
|    92   
|    3381   
|    7438   
|    14876   
|    242368   
|    39000   
|    34630   
|}


Archiving the current table in easy to read format. The new data I have doesn't have AV GM etc.
In collaboration with @AboveTheChemist the Experience page has received a major update. Motivated primarily by the controversy over at the Homecoming Forums described previously (that was later discredited), I decided it was time someone actually sat down and figured out the formula the game uses to calculate XP... and that is the major update to this page.  [[User:BlackSpectre|BlackSpectre]] ([[User talk:BlackSpectre|talk]]) 19:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Catwhoorg|Catwhoorg]] 21:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
== XP per level ==
This is wrong. I did tests (level 35 character, level 33-38 in bricks on Medics, and 35+39-41 in the RWZ on Rikti infantry and guardians.)
 
My numbers are:
 
{| border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center" style="text-align:center"
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Critter's Relative Level'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''XP Multiplier'''   
|-
| -2 || 0.44
|-
| -1 || 0.55
|-
|   0 || 1
|-
| +1 || 1.35
|-
| +2 || 1.78
|-
| +3 || 2.53
|-
| +4 or higher || 3.2
|-
|}
 
 
Here's the old table:
 
{| border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center" style="text-align:center"
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''Critter's Relative Level'''   
| style="background:#ddd;" |    '''XP Multiplier'''   
|-
| -5 or lower || 0
|-
| -4 || 0.2
|-
| -3 || 0.4
|-
| -2 || 0.6
|-
| -1 || 0.8
|-
|   0 || 1
|-
| +1 || 1.2
|-
| +2 || 1.4
|-
| +3 || 1.65
|-
| +4 || 1.9
|-
| +5 or higher || 2
|-
|}
 
I will not put these changes into the real thing until someone checks them.
[[User:Fulmens|Fulmens]] 16:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
: Update- still under discussion on forums. Argument is that my percentages are "of the XP for a level 35 opponent" rather than being "of the XP for the appropriate level enemy"- so a 39 (+4 to me) would be the XP for a 39, times 1.9.
 
:With a L35 character, I got the same XP for a level 39, 40 and 41 enemy; 1694. That looks like 2.13 times the level 39 enemy's XP.
[[User:Fulmens|Fulmens]] 04:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 
== Historical ==
 
This came up on the forums, someone ran a few tests that demonstrated that the information here is clearly not the case. I've tagged it as historical since I can't think of anything better to tag it with. [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 05:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:I removed the historical tag. Instead, we should work toward making the information correct. {{:User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 07:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::Which parts need to be updated? --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 14:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Primarily the parts on distribution on teams I think. In a [http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showpost.php?p=2142802&postcount=29 forum discussion] someone ran a few quick tests in the AE which pretty clearly demonstrate that those rules are wrong. I think that the single player XP values are correct since I was doing some solo play last night and the values I was getting for even level enemies seemed to match. [[User:CmdrAdeon|CmdrAdeon]] 16:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::::Interesting.  That may actually be a bug.  The tweak the devs made to the system some time ago (I'd have to mine the patch notes to see when) was supposed to set a hard limit on the XP at the value for +5. Doesn't look like the system is currently working as intended based on the numbers in that thread. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 20:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 
::::Playing with the numbers:
 
::::Assuming a three-member team of 50, 50, and 43 (auto sk'ed to 45) fighting against 52s.
 
::::{|class="wikitable"
|-
|Actual Level||Combat Level||Weight||Min XP||Lt XP||Boss XP||Lvl Mod||Team Mod||Min Mod XP||Lt Mod XP||Boss Mod XP
|-
|43||45||0.68||1198||2795||8386||2||1.5||848.583||1979.791||5940.083
|-
|50||50||1.1||2866||5732||17196||1.4||1.5||2298.770||4597.541||13792.625
|-
|50||50||1.1||2866||5732||17196||1.4||1.5||2298.770||4597.541||13792.625
|-
| ||''AVG''<br />48||''TOT''<br />2.88|| || || || || || ||
|}
 
::::All based on the info in this article, of course.
 
::::What's unclear to me in the linked post is 1) which of the characters was the data collected from (the 43 or one of the 50s?) and 2) what the XP in the data was for (minion, lt., boss, AV, mission completion?)  If the XP numbers in the post are for the 43, those numbers are WAY more than what you should get even for a boss kill, so I might assume that they were for a mission completion.  And if we're talking about mission completion bonuses, the data currently in the article doesn't apply because we don't have the mission bonus XP in the table at the moment. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 21:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 06:39, 14 October 2024

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Removed outdated stuff

Previous discussions (now archived) mentioned that much of the article was outdated. Those concerns were raised a year ago and nothing was updated. Rather than leaving outdated information in the article, I've removed much of it. If anyone can re-add it with correct data, please do. Also, can anyone verify whether the information that remains is valid? I'm somewhat suspect of the Experience Rewards Table, especially with all of the asterisks floating about it. -- Sekoia 21:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Re-adding Outdated Tag

During a related discussion on Inf gain for low level players, a test was run to see XP gain and Inf gain at level 25 on both minions and lieuts to check for another issue. We instead discovered the XP gain rates are higher on HC (and likely all SCORE based servers unless they've manually edited them back down again). https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/49544-aggressively-reduce-price-of-basic-enhancements/?do=findComment&comment=626482 Thus, the page is outdated. Lockely (talk) 23:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I reverted the changes based on some limited testing I performed on Brainstorm (https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/49800-request-for-a-dev/?do=findComment&comment=626672), which shows that XP rates are apparently not higher on HC. If other testing contradicts my findings, or if info provided by a dev in that thread I linked indicates otherwise, then it may be appropriate to modify the XP table. --AboveTheChemist (talk) 05:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
I wanted to check in with this, over on the forum thread you mentioned "I also pulled the XP reward data from the leaked i24 data files, and I do see some discrepancies with the experience data that is on the wiki. This is particularly true of the data below level 25. It may mean nothing, but I will do a little more data gathering to find out." Did your data turn up any significant discrepancies, and if so, shouldn't we re-add the WIP template again until we get the proper numbers? --Lockely (talk) 19:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
I did some extensive testing last weekend and while there are some discrepancies, they are relatively minor. I haven't had much time this week to devote to it but I'll catch back up with BlackSpectre and update the wiki with my findings, probably this weekend. --AboveTheChemist (talk) 21:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Updated 10-11-2024

In collaboration with @AboveTheChemist the Experience page has received a major update. Motivated primarily by the controversy over at the Homecoming Forums described previously (that was later discredited), I decided it was time someone actually sat down and figured out the formula the game uses to calculate XP... and that is the major update to this page. BlackSpectre (talk) 19:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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